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« "The Future of Technology and Libraries" Meeting | Main | 20070517-02 David Isenberg » 20070517-01 Mike GodwinAfter the Revolutions Where we’ve been First wave of computer/internet panic centered on crime Second wave of computer/internet panic Have laws for “attempted” copyright infringement, not just the infringement itself Redesigning technologies Troubled by open technologies because it means people will use them in new ways all the time and this is difficult to predict what they’ll do Pipes and policies – telcos and cablecos don’t like open pipes because they can’t “extract rents” for these new uses What consequences to a counterrevolution? Long-term Consequences Challenge is to recognize forces in play Can’t let these external forces have their way because we might be shutting off the pipe of individual innovation (not Microsoft or Apple, but what we can do personally with these technologies politically and economically) Sharing of information has already been immensely productive for us – do we want to do away with that world? What now? For libraries and librarians Respondent panel: Jorge Schement, John Berry, Adam Eisgrau Jorge: Frame 2 Frame 3 John: in 2005, though, the summit hit the press here because of internet governance (became about human rights) China brings a lot to the table Adam: is a recovering deconstructionist typically there is a leader and a group coalesces around this person Dan: if the internet is closed off and becomes a corporate entity, our children and grandchildren would be stuck in the services of 2007 Janice: telcos think people have an infinite amount of money to pay for online services Mike: RIAA is in meltdown because their strategies didn’t work. By contrast, the studios have segmented their markets to a very fine degree and they take every opportunity to extract revenue from every possible point. They like the idea of multiple revenue streams and they hate that the internet may erase some of those silos. So the comment about money applies more to video than audio because they know they’ve already lost Jorge: have been tracking consumer spending on entertainment for years, and over 100 years, it’s pretty flat, maybe a 2% increase, of spending on information and its goods and services. That ceiling isn’t fixed, but it’s been stable for a long time Bob: How do you counter the arguments from the carriers that they need control and maintain the pipes (traffic)? Nancy: wants to make sure we remember to keep in mind how can we be a force and a framework. We are a big force to contend with and we need to make sure we’re shaping the debate. Mike: agrees. We have to be proactive and not just talk about all of the standard arguments (distance education, fair use, etc.), it helps us to think about general concepts such as openness. Need to always be showing up saying we want more people to be able to do more things and push for that to be able to happen. Talk in that broader term. Duane: concerned about the mission of the new library. Concerned Mike didn’t refer to mass digitization efforts Mike: you have to start the religion of archiving now, if it hasn’t been already Alice: was unclear that archiving meant digitization in Mike’s presentation Howard: thinks we are using the term archiving somewhat interchangeably with preservation, which is a problem for some of us, but you’re not from our field. Getting back to Duane’s point, one of the most important things we can do is to inject into the discourse all of the bad stories, all of the things that we have lost. Need to have the library making this case to the faculty on every campus. Is also disturbed that in the policy arena, we tend to be reactive rather than active. Even when we get active, it’s in a reactive way. Feels like we’re always in some kind of disaster situation and we’re always trying to dig ourselves out of the tunnel. Can we get out of this reactive mode and into one where we really set the agenda and be more aggressive at stating what things should look like policy-wise? Adam: yes, we can, should, and must. But we can’t do it alone and not without a bazooka. It takes resources, commitment, and ability. We need to get on the bike we’re walking with that we thought we didn’t have time to get on. If we want to build alliances that broadly shape a large agenda, we need to make the door-to-door sale with other groups, why we should work together Jorge: Adam is talking to the power of stories and metaphor. Liberals have tended to focus on the policy world as a structure of laws that need to be changed, and that’s a fundamentally reactive starting point, whereas conservatives approach it as storytelling. That’s what we haven’t done very well. Need to reinterpret the environment we want to live in. John: we got a lot of libraries, museums, and archives working together, although it was reactive. It takes a lot of resources to play in that arena globally. IFLA has tried, but their budget is stretched so that they can’t be at the table all the times they want to be. David L.: in terms of archives and preservation, the massive scale of storage. We’re in the era where we can spend 20cents per gigabyte so we can store everything. Unintended consequences of that. In regard to ordering information, the focus of ordering information, means bringing voice to it to prioritize it. Who do we work with to create that voice? Is curious, as we look at policies, access to these discussions (likes “net equity” rather than “net neutrality”), what about the idea that filtering in schools can become the credibility legislation that prioritizes views of information? This is very concerning, that we can worry about how much they’ll charge us, etc., but more worried about the fact that once I get my bandwidth, however I get it, that there will be policy that says you will expect “this” and what you can do with it. Prioritizing one context over another. The response to “there’s bad stuff on the internet” don’t just get filtered out, but the viewpoints do as well. Mike: when I said ordering, I meant that as opposed to prioritizing. What I do when I order information is make it easier to access, not assigning value or prioritizing. Agrees that we want to resist the prioritization. The search engines now are quite democratic in a ridiculous, low-level way, but they’re pretty random. They’re not necessarily useful because the decisions are made by machines. Just mean “structuring” the way libraries have always done it. Must resist privileging and making value judgments. David L.: that view of ordering is naïve. Alphabetical is one thing, but other methods are still affected and can be value-driven. Joe: to go back to Howard’s question about taking initiative, we have so many stories. It’s almost a problem. If we got to set an agenda, would our priority be intellectual property, privacy, equity, or what? Trying to wrangle our crowd to pick the story we would want to fight for…it would be fun, but it would be a real challenge. It’s not a bad idea, thinks it is the right idea, but how would we figure out what to fight for in a proactive (rather than reactive) way? Jorge: tell different stories in particular arenas? When conservatives began deriding the term “liberal” for no particular reason, they reframed the debate. Librarians deal with some specific things – democracy, freedom, etc. – but in the long term these things make sense to people and that is where the storytelling can have its greatest effect. If this conference were held around storytelling, it would be very different. Adam: “freedom is not for sale” would be a powerful story
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